How to Not Suck On Video

There has been a big rush of people jumping into creating videos of themselves. Whether it's endless Zoom meetings, TikTok, or marketing and branding for your work, it seems like everyone is on the video bandwagon. The problem with that is not everyone is good at it.

In this episode, Blanca Cobb who is a world-renowned body language expert shares tips on being better in front of the camera whether it's for personal or professional reasons!


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spk_0:   0:01
You are listening to conversations on the rocks, the podcast where my guest determines the topic this week. I welcome back Blanca Cobb.  

spk_0:   0:09
Everybody seems to be on the video bandwagon these days, and not everyone is doing a very good job at it. So Blanca is going to talk a little bit about how not to suck on video. So grab your favorite cocktail or a cup of Joe and let's get started. Hello, everyone. This is Kristen Dacus, and you are listening toothy conversations on the rocks podcast where my guests choose the topic. And this week we're talking again with international body language mega star Miss Blanca Cobb. And we're going to talk about something that she is very adept at, and that is how to not suck on video. Especially right now -  veryone is doing video, video, video, whether you're zooming, whether you're instagramming, whether you're doing it for fun or for work, and a lot of you really suck at it. And Blanca is going to help you not suck so bad high. Blanka. Hey, did you like that in a delicious

spk_1:   1:12
I did. I can tell the last that was awesome and because it's so true. So many people do not go on video right now.

spk_0:   1:20
And it's

spk_1:   1:20
like, ouch like, Oh, you know, like when somebody is like, not paying attention and they're walking in the opinion, intention to their phone and you know, they're about to trip and you're like, You

spk_0:   1:30
cringe for them, but you still see it happen. That's exactly what happens to me. What?

spk_1:   1:35
I'm watching the videos and look,

spk_0:   1:37
there are

spk_1:   1:39
people are trying to be their best. But the thing is, they just don't know how to be their best,

spk_0:   1:44
right? Well, it's that old adage. You don't know what you don't know, right? You know. So in there, I'll admit, is a is a digital marketing professional, a social media professional trying to encourage brands and bloggers and etcetera Teoh, do more video. And I haven't. I'm telling like you've got okay of camera in your hand, in your hand. Just do it right. I think people are taking that just a little bit to the extreme right now. Now that there is, just do it if it's personal and you really don't care and it's for fun, however, what we're gonna talk about a little bit more today is for those that are trying to enhanced their brand or enhance that, you know, boost that. So those are the ones. So why don't we get started? And I want you to talk about the book that you're writing currently to address that, and I don't know how many chapters that are involved in that. Um and maybe we could just do you condone absolutely direct this, But, you know, one of the top five sends that people are making are, you know, one of the seven deadly sins that people are making that you're seeing in that you're gonna help them, Correct?

spk_1:   2:47
Oh, yes. The title is how not the second video I was happened. How not to suck on TV Burden for experts and authors and speakers who want to get on television. But this is specifically video. So these air entrepreneur Sela preneurs, these air executives, business managers, whoever speaks to other people in business. And that's pretty much everybody, right? Yeah. So it's how do you come across? Because one thing that I am noticing now that everything is virtual so there's no face to face. But everything is online now what you were talking about zoom calls. So people are having like, virtual town halls because there are no conferences. No one is traveling or they're people who are on Instagram like we said, because they're talking about their services where they're talking about their product. The problem is they don't know what they're doing and they're coming across as a train wreck. And you might think that funny, but the damage Do you think of the damage of train wrecks? That's no different than what's gonna happen to your brand after business goes back to normal, whatever that's going to look like.

spk_0:   3:47
You get the gun. I'm sorry. I was saying, because we know it's not going to, um, go back to normal When we talked about this briefly in the last time, you were on the show, and I think one thing that this virus has proven is that people can work remotely. But there's something else. That's interesting, is where I think we're gonna see a lot of interviews. But I mean, there's a perfect example of why you don't want to blow it on video, right? People are doing job interviews, so you've got to make a good first impression. I mean, I think you use that you wouldn't walk into a an interview or business meeting wearing bunny slippers. So you've got to dress the heart because I think if you dress the part, you feel apart.

spk_1:   4:28
Absolutely. And you give the impression of that court you have to dress for your profession. You really do. So you don't think a doctor is gonna walk into your room right in the exam room in in flip flops and ripped up short? They don't give a very professional look. There's nothing wrong with foot blocks and ripped up short. That's for the beach for a different environment. So you really have to dress the part because it's all about first impressions about impression. Just because it's online makes it no different than if it's offline. If your if your face to face you're not gonna go and meet somebody. If you want to impress somebody, you really have to look the part so you're not gonna go meet a perspective date like they're gonna make this personal. You're going to look your breath your best, right? Right. You are just human nature, so it doesn't my point is, it doesn't matter what the medium is in this case online of videoconferencing or you're making videos. Talk about your product yourself or your services or even your company. It's that impression, and that is really, really important.

spk_0:   5:32
And I'm seeing a lot of people do virtual dating right now. I'm not. I'm not down for that. I'm kind of enjoying letting my skin renew itself. It's taken a lot for me to do full hair and makeup these days. I'll just leave it at that. So what are some tips that you have?

spk_1:   5:53
Well, one thing. The biggest mistake, in my opinion, and I've been doing TV for eight years, so let me start with that. I'm into a TV. For eight years now, I've been on huge shows like The Steve Harvey Show, The Today Show, Megan Kelly, Today, Dr Drew, Dr Rod, the Doctors and Looks Goes On. Plus, I work in a CBS 1,000,000,000 I'm on every week. I'm telling you this for a reason. I know what I'm talking about. I get the insider scoop because I've worked with so many different interview words. TV host anchors, news directors I get I know what they're looking for, so it may not be TV world, but it's still in front of a camera, and you still wanna have that best impression. It's the one mistake that I see consistently is that people don't know how to be themselves on camera.

spk_0:   6:36
It's intimidating

spk_1:   6:37
when they see it's very intimidating. You don't know where you're looking like you're doing the abusing, your phone and iPhone. And where exactly am I supposed to look? How am I supposed to be comfortable, particularly if you have no one to play off? And it's just you talking when people don't act like themselves. So part of what I do when I work with people is that I have exercises that you will do so you become more comfortable and you become like yourself in real person. It's easy to say, act like yourself. What does that really look like? What does that really sound like? And what does it really feel like when you're on camera? So that to me that in the biggest mistake, because then they start talking in a very different way, or they start using terminology like the exponential to the extra potential whatever, whatever right. They started using these crazy words. And I'm like, No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. That's not how you have a conversation with somebody unless you're in a text field and you're talking to someone who understands and speaks the same technical language, that's different. But if you're trying to reach your audience and you're going to get new customers, No, that's not how you don't wanna be intimidating. You need to be relatable, right? The biggest well, have to be related.

spk_0:   7:41
Absolutely. But I'm going to disagree with you in some sense that there are some people that definitely should not be themselves. They need to They need to be nicer, like you had a great those that are very intimidating. And if you come across this very brash than, please don't be yourself. Please find that's true. Please find the nice, nicer version of yourself. So why do

spk_1:   8:04
you bring up a really good point?

spk_0:   8:05
Yeah, I think I know for me, and I'm guarantee that you have that in there. I have to almost be put myself into the point where I'm like almost talking to someone like they're five and be very excitable. and I There's definitely certain tweaks that I make to myself because I know that if I just spend myself then I'm gonna ramble on and ramble on, and I'm gonna talk fast. And people were like, Whoa, you're not gonna They're not gonna get one thing out of it, but I definitely There's some people that I know out there in the world that I would definitely not want them to be themselves Want them to be nicer.

spk_1:   8:39
That is a really good point. But most people far very shy or they don't know how to do it or they don't. You know, they come across a little more reserved than what they need to be. But you bring up a really good point because there's some people who think, you know, I'm it. I know it. You should be listening to me. And so they come across one intimidating way exactly what you're talking about. So thanks for bringing that

spk_0:   8:59
up. Smile. It's Oh,

spk_1:   9:00
my God, Yes, but the flip side of that Christian is there some people who will smile the entire time, and I'm like,

spk_0:   9:07
Really, you don't smile when you talk to a friend. 15 minutes straight. No, you don't know.

spk_1:   9:12
You do not. So that's what I'm talking about. That that goes into what? My bigger point. You're not being authentic. You're not being really you,

spk_0:   9:19
right? I just find if I smile, at least try toe, You know, throughout any of my videos that it makes it more upbeat. I come across nicer. I don't know. Uh,

spk_1:   9:29
yes. But you have to think about it and everything about use of the universal you. So if you're talking about something serious, you don't need to be smiling, right? Because I was like, Why the hell is that even happy? What? What's funny about that?

spk_0:   9:40
That's when he confuses

spk_1:   9:41
people. So it has to match.

spk_0:   9:42
And that's what we call. What? Reading the room?

spk_1:   9:45
Yeah, exactly. Reading the room. So one thing that I do tell people also, you have to have a plan. You just don't press.

spk_0:   9:52
Yes, when it comes

spk_1:   9:54
to visit will be Some people out there, like, totally disagree, like no, all you got to do with press the button record. No, I disagree. It depends on what your intent is any more than if you're in real life and you're in a board meeting or you're presenting to a new client. You're not gonna wing it. At least you shouldn't. If you think you're gonna make the sale.

spk_0:   10:09
Absolutely. And rehearse to

spk_1:   10:12
be prepared. Absolutely. You dio and after just doesn't do it for them one time another. They're up there. They're polished. Absolutely not any more than an athlete does.

spk_0:   10:20
I'm trying to

spk_1:   10:21
you half. You have to. You have to be very comfortable. I'll tell you that the more comfortable you are in your skill set, the more comfortable

spk_0:   10:28
you. Yes, yes. And that's what I've always told my clients again going back. Just do it, Just start doing it. I'm not saying necessarily produce those. However, if you just start doing that, you get more comfortable with it and you get a routine down. But I swear, even I after doing it for for many years, I still write it out because you just when you start doing it, at least for me, it doesn't matter how many times you've rehearsed it. At some point, you're gonna trip yourself up.

spk_1:   10:55
Yes, The thing that I would tell people to be careful about is if you write it out. You don't want to read it because what happened is people get very robotic and it sounds like they're reading a story and they don't have an inflection in their boys. It's crazy. It I mean it Truly. It sounds crazier than what is wrong with that person. Absolutely a tower. It's how it comes across. So when I talk to my own coaching clients, this is what I say. I'm like, You know how you have a friend and you know how they act. But when they start acting funny or like, Well, what's up? Why you talking that way? You never talk that way before. Why you doing it now? Why you acting that way? You didn't use to act out what's going on. So when you notice that in real life with people at the same thing, people going to notice that about you on camera, so even if they don't know you, they're going to say that's bizarre. People don't typically talk that way or sound that way, or act that what it's because of the nervousness.

spk_0:   11:47
So what else? What's another took?

spk_1:   11:49
Let's see. Oh, nervousness. People get nervous and you can tell in their voice because they can get, like, very quiet or talk really fast or they're just boys. Sounds shaky. Their voice can shout. Sound shaky. So there's some exercises that you can do to calm your voice to get your voice ready before you go on camera. And don't sit there and go over. Walker. This isn't a production. I'm not talking about that. It's still being your best self on camera. Along the lines of nervous and nervousness, people don't know what do with their body language. But what do I do with my

spk_0:   12:21
hand? Yeah, yeah, that's a good one.

spk_1:   12:24
I don't know what to do with my an what I will see on video. People act so stiff and they don't know where to position the video, because then I see all state.

spk_0:   12:35
You know, you talk to somebody in real

spk_1:   12:37
life, at least not in a business setting. You shouldn't be right.

spk_0:   12:40
Nobody. You don't

spk_1:   12:40
want to do that. You don't need to do that on camera, either. So when people get nervous, it's amazing how it impacted their body language, and it'll impact their voice, which in turn impacts their comfort level and keep this in mind for everybody out there. How you present yourself on video makes an impression where someone's going to trust you. So if you get up there rambling and there's no sense rhyme or reason toe what you're saying, you don't seem comfortable. Then guess what? How someone going to trust what you're really selling or who you are. If you don't even see comfortable and what you're talking about or comfortable with yourself on camera, and those first impressions will last think about first impressions in real life that you have with people. They're hard to shake. It's no different on camera, absolutely. Having said this, that this doesn't mean you can't mess up. Anyone can go to my instagram right now or my YouTube channel or Facebook, just a Blanca Cobb, because I'm doing this thing 20 questions because I think we need something fun that the diversion of distraction from everything that's going on, So I'm doing it because it is fun. I think that we should get to know each other. However, for the people who I coach, the thing is, go look at these videos and see how natural I am. They're not perfect. You'll hear me a stumble here or there, but it's not constant. It just a reflection of real light. Also, these are more of a personal get, you know, Blanka type of video, so they're not professional, But you get a sense of how to really be yourself what that looks like. It's easy to say be yourself, But again, what does it really look like? Or sound like or feel like when you're on camera? And that's what I work with people on.

spk_0:   14:15
And I think that's such a great point as far as the perfection. You're not perfect when you're speaking, you know, face to face with a friend. So it's OK if you have a little bit of stumble there. It's not. And that's why I think a lot of people get so either they avoid it altogether, taking the step into video or they hate it because they feel like they have to nail it and you know, so they'll get it would be almost perfect until the last five seconds, and then they say something. And then, like uh, now I got to do it again. No, you don't. It's OK. G B. Sims in my award winning blogger Wheeler's dog dot com is now a full fledged podcast. Well, is dug podcast available? Eating where you get podcasts and YouTube.

spk_1:   14:55
It's how you handle it. It is absolutely hat how you handle it. What happens. A lot of times that I see on video, people will make a mistake and it changes are affect for the rest of the video with pissed. They're not smiling anymore. And I'm like, Really? Because what's that really saying is about? You can't handle your emotions very well so you can handle your emotions very well on video. How is it gonna be like to really work with you? Or how might you be like as a boss or as a co worker? You have to think of the bigger picture

spk_0:   15:27
and the

spk_1:   15:27
impact that it gives people absolutely interesting? Absolutely, You know, think about if you were to see somebody in real life and you didn't know who they were, you saw him at a distance and they were yelling at somebody, right? And you're like, Wow! And like the next day or later on, you run into that person and they're really nice and drumming you. But the back your mind. What do you thinking?

spk_0:   15:46
They were yell AP's exactly. It's

spk_1:   15:49
that first impression. Yeah, so impact.

spk_0:   15:53
So when shooting video, whether it's just across the board, whether it's professionally or personally, do you have a preference over standing, sitting,

spk_1:   16:04
Great question for me, I'm a standard. I love to stand, but that's just me. For other people. They may not like it as much. They might prefer to sit down. So it's really an issue of comfort and how you can be your best sell. I like to stand because I will move around, but it doesn't come across like I'm jittery or I'm nervous. They're Sometimes you'll actually see me moving closer or further away from a camera just depends on what I'm talking about. But that's who I am anyway. Person.

spk_0:   16:31
Yes, you're very good and tattle. You're very expressive,

spk_1:   16:35
so I'll go ahead and tell you about my baseline. If you see me not talk with my hand, that's a moment

spk_0:   16:40
running with Blanca. Something's up with her, absolutely don't know what's going on, but

spk_1:   16:45
she's not feeling okay right now because their hands are not.

spk_0:   16:48
I am the same way I have a cousin who always Jesus. And she's like, I'd really think if we made you sit on your hands, you would not have the ability to speak. And she's right. She's right. I mean, I'm a flail. Er I mean, my hands are all over the place. I think I was miss born. I should have been on Italian. OK, we'll give us some tips on how to do it. Todo it's all it's all that hot blood. So give us an example. So if going back to what you said earlier about the hand, so say and I know I know what you do. And I learned this from you. This is what I do now to so you're you're feel if doing video and you've chosen to stand. What do you do with your hands?

spk_1:   17:29
You want to keep them relax? Do you want to see the natural curvature in your hand? You don't wanna have him straight. You don't wanna have him looking stiff. The one thing about hand movements is to think about this. Think about it this way. It's like a nonverbal highlighter of what you're saying so it can accentuate different points. They can use is anchoring to help people remember what you're saying, so there has to be a rhyme and reason to it. So it isn't like a composer here where a certain word goes with a certain gesture. That's not what I'm talking about. What I'm saying is, if you're saying something that is really important and you're going to slow down and say it just a little bit, then you can use your hand movement with it, So not only do they hear it, but then they can see it, that that is really important. And then really, make sure that your hands are relaxed. You want to see the natural curvature of the fingers. You can have him by your side, particularly if you're standing and you don't have anything to lean on. And then sometimes if you see me on camera when I do my TV segment, sometimes I don't leave him by my side. I'll have them, like been at a 90 degree angle at my at my waist, and then one might be down and the other one might be up. But if you if you watch, you'll still see the natural curvature of my hands they don't look stiff and it doesn't look weird. It looks like someone who just holding their hands right, right, just out is comfortable. That's the key. That's the key. That's the key with hands. So what happens? A lot of times, people get nervous. They'll start playing with their fingers offshore, flicking fingernails or playing with their cuticles. The thing is, I don't even realize because of the self soothing behavior right there, trying to find a way to calm down. You know I can get through this, but they're not consciously aware that they're doing it until they catch themselves or somebody points it out or they see themselves on Begin. They're like, Oh, my gosh was really doing that.

spk_0:   19:10
Yeah, I know when I catch myself flailing about using too much hand hand gestures, I, um and I can't remember Is that the preachers? What's the term that you taught me? The Is it like the preachers triangle or whatever? You know where you put your hands, people that yes, yes,

spk_1:   19:30
that the hands people yet.

spk_0:   19:31
So that's when I catch myself doing too much hand motions in our movement. I will purposely do that because I don't. I don't I don't like having my hands down by my side. I just don't think that looks very natural. At least it's not natural

spk_1:   19:45
for May, and that's the key. And then here we go with baselines. I'm glad you brought that up a good point. It's what is comfortable, what is natural for you because and that's different for everybody but the hands people. So that's where your fingertips air touching. And there's a space in between your palms. So this comes across as confident, you know, you have a purpose. Listen to me and convey some authority and some trust there also. So it's good. The problem with that is, when people do with the whole time anymore. Like when I say when you're talking and you get you do the palms up. So when you have palms up, it means you have nothing to hide, right. You're being open and you're being frank. But the thing is, you, when you talk to somebody, you don't have your palms up for the whole conversation.

spk_0:   20:24
Unless you're right, you're begging the whole

spk_1:   20:28
time. That's what I'm talking about, the natural. But when people work with me, I break it down like, what does this look like? And then I find out what people baseline is on camera because I got to know what what I'm working with because everybody is different. And then from there I pulled out your strengths because you want to hold out your strength and then your weaknesses. How can how can we change it for you? But one, You're more comfortable and to when you're nervous, what you can do, what? The substitute behavior that still comes across. But nobody's really going to know that you're uncomfortable that you're nervous.

spk_0:   20:56
Let's talk a little bit. I'm sorry. Were you done? Got I don't wrapping up anyway. So let's talk about something that a lot of people in my ex husband made a, uh brought this up the other day that he noticed that they're doing all their team meetings, obviously, on Zoom. And apparently one of the guys he was telling me did it from his bedroom and behind him, he could see that the guy had not made his bed. So let's talk about the environment. Oh,

spk_1:   21:27
my gosh. Yes! Oh, I'm so glad you bring it up because the background is important. I'm gonna tell you right now you do not need a fancy background. You don't. It just needs to look

spk_0:   21:38
clean

spk_1:   21:39
and neat, clean and needs. I'm working for ah W for my news too. So I do my segments from home now and I'm in my kitchen and in a certain part of my kitchen you can see cabinets behind me, and you could be part of my oven and microwave. But it's neat. It's clean, but and that's it. So it doesn't have. My point is it doesn't have to be fancy, but it doesn't need to be distracting. And that's the problem when it's distract. Some people were actually have the damn toilet behind them with a seat up. You came right now. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. People are not thinking about that. So it's the situation. I think we talked at one point. Kristen needs and you don't know what you don't know. Which is a phrase that use a lot to you Don't know what you don't know. So I had to break it down that way to in the background cannot be distracting. It just cannot be

spk_0:   22:26
And because that's the only thing that you're going to focus on.

spk_1:   22:29
Yes. No, they don't listen to what you have to say no matter what, how you're saying

spk_0:   22:33
no and you be juggling and

spk_1:   22:35
people are like, What? What is that behind her?

spk_0:   22:37
What is that?

spk_1:   22:38
And, you know, they're actually, like 30. Tried to look around you even though you're on a video to get a better look to see what is behind you. Clothes on the

spk_0:   22:46
floor. Uh, no, no, no.

spk_1:   22:49
A shoe that's thrown out and you could have your kid's toy. Whatever. Look, you want to tell you a secret right now, push everything to the science. Just get it out of you.

spk_0:   23:00
Well, if you don't

spk_1:   23:01
have time to have a clean room, straighten it up, just push everything out of the way.

spk_0:   23:05
And what kills me is that most of us are doing it. I know if I'm shooting Riel video, I'm doing it from my computer. Right? So whenever I open it up, it's bits. I'm looking at myself, which means I can see behind me, and I always make sure that whatever is in that shot in that window is like like you just said is clean. It's neat and it's not. You know you can't see it, And if that means you just literally pushing all of the side, that's fine. But look at your environment. I cannot tell you how many, whether it's just personal or professional, looking at these video streams that I'm going. My God, have you ever picked up anything in your life? And what? I don't care what their talk? It could be the most fascinating thing in the world. My eyes air going every other place.

spk_1:   23:53
Absolutely, absolutely. Look, and I will change it up to. So when I'm on TV, I'm do my segments from home. It's always the same background Alisa's for now. I don't know if I'll change it up, but when I'm doing other videos for my business, you'll see me outside. You will see me. Uh huh. Come have a have a brick background. It's just part of my house. Or I'm on my front porch or, um, in a park. I can't go to part now, but I'm just talking about before this Pandey A. So long as it's clean and it's need and not distracting. So you do not like your outside like you block. It was a great idea. I'm gonna go outside. If you have kids yelling in the background, you have a dog that will not be quiet. No, no, no, no, no. Because what it serves at the distraction. I'm not talking about perfection here. People need to be able to focus on you and what you're saying and the information you're conveyed. That's what's important.

spk_0:   24:42
That is the most important thing. But you can't have those distractions, right? Just can't, right? Okay, we got a few. I'm sorry. Let

spk_1:   24:51
me give one example. It's like when you see somebody and have spinach in your teeth and you don't tell you're not paying attention. What the hell they're talking

spk_0:   24:55
about? You're staring at the spinach in the teeth and you don't have

spk_1:   24:58
the guts to go. Excuse me by eating too

spk_0:   25:01
bills for that. You

spk_1:   25:02
stare at their teeth

spk_0:   25:03
and not everybody's a good in a friend to tell you that, or they're just mean, right.

spk_1:   25:09
But but But that's my point. You stare at the distraction. You're not listening to the person with the same thing that happens online. They're going to stare at the messy bed. They're going to stare the toys on the floor. They're going to stay at the toilet seat up, and they're not gonna pay attention to you Different than

spk_0:   25:23
in. And it's gonna tank your credibility.

spk_1:   25:26
Oh, absolutely. Because you don't come across What? As professional?

spk_0:   25:30
Exactly. All right, we got a couple more minutes, so let's as we start winding this down. Do you have any other extra tips that you want to give? But I definitely want you to take a few minutes and tell everyone again how they will be able to get the book. And when we can expect to see it and how to stay in touch with you.

spk_1:   25:46
You can stay in touch of me at Blanca Cobb. So on Facebook, Lanka called body Language expert on instagram and YouTube App. Blanca Cobb. That's what you will find. My segments. You will find my information. You go to my website. Blanca cobb dot com The book, their e book is how not to suck on video. So I'm gonna tell you gonna break everything down about what makes good video. What makes bad video. I'm gonna use myself because I can pick on myself. I've got no problem with that. And then I'm gonna have tips in there for you. How to come across your best self Not perfect, but your best self. And then how to handle mistakes. So it isn't about perfection. But you're going to screw up on camera and you know you're gonna want to do it again. Sometimes you don't need to do it again. So I'm gonna help you. You shouldn't have that. That is our to be perfect because, as you know, it's a very hard standard toe live up to. And it's not riel. No one is perfect. And so the book should be coming up. Maybe in a month I'm going to be doing from live courses that people can join on also, and it's going to be breaking down a concept a week for like, four weeks so they can go to my website. You can find me on instagram or wherever, and just let me know where you can email me Blanka at blanca cobb dot com and say, Hey, I heard you on Kristen's podcast. How do I sign up? I got more information.

spk_0:   27:02
Yes, and I will include all of that in the show notes to of how to get hold of you. So I wanna throw one idea in there If you haven't addressed this in your book and you can is one of the things that I know you were this piece of it. I want everybody to have fun with it, but one of the ways you can have fun with it is to save some of the bad stuff and make blooper reels. I mean, really, it's one of my favorite things to do. Actually came across one from a few years ago when the girls and I were doing a, um, a shabby chic kind of makeover. And sometimes the blooper reels are even more fun than Theo. Actual video don't promote them. But it's fun. It's fun. I guess my point being is it's OK to make fun of yourself.

spk_1:   27:43
Absolutely. That's why I'll use myself as an example with them on my interviews. I mean, Lord, I've actually had a mic drop on set on air.

spk_0:   27:51
I remember that was trying so hard to hold

spk_1:   27:54
on, and I couldn't and then in fam on I just and people who are you start there like you, Ted, This relief you're just like

spk_0:   28:03
I did. I just

spk_1:   28:04
brought up. What could you dio? There was nothing I could do but just move on with it. And and that's and that's what I'll teach you. I will teach you so much that I've learned behind the scenes with my eight years of of being on camera all the big shows and even where I work now, which I'm very fortunate to dio, which I love. I mean, I'm always learning, always learning. And so my knowledge is your knowledge.

spk_0:   28:26
Well, and we appreciate that you shared it with us because you are right. You are definitely a good person to a great person to be sharing that kind of information. And I appreciate that you came and shared it with everyone here today. And good luck on getting the rest of the book written. And I guess until the next time we decide that we're going to chat, we are going to sign off today. Thanks, Bianca.

spk_1:   28:47
You're welcome. Thanks for having me.

spk_0:   28:51
And that, my friends, is a wrap on this week's show. Thanks so much for listening. You can get all of the episodes at conversations on the rocks dot com. You can also follow me on Twitter, and that's at Kristen Dhaka's K R I S T e and D A. You K A s. Until next week. Keep it riel and let's hear what your story is.